to president obama and house speaker boehner. democrats say they're not going to move until the republicans say they're going to be for higher tax rates on the wealthy. and spending cuts. republicans aren't going to come forward until the democrats say more about how they want to cut spending. right now, we're stuck. now, it could be the well that is getting poisoned right now, as positions are going to harden with all of these negotiations they sometimes with most fire before they break. the debt limit, president obama said that he's not going to negotiate at all over the debt limit. i don't know how you can get that resolved by december 31st. >> could the republicans give in on the tax cuts on the rich in this country if they want to use the debt limit as leverage? >> they could. lot of republicans have said, they know taxes are going to go up, but they want to know how far the president is willing to go in cutting spending especially that entitlement spending, even social security before they sign on to the higher rates. you got these guys circling each other before coming together. >> if i'